New subject: ASO Procedures Review Mailing List Created and Members

20 Jun 2022

      Dear all,
Would it be possible to set up a Doodle for the below proposed meeting ?
thanks 😊
Hervé
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De : CLEMENT Herve INNOV/NET
Envoyé : jeudi 16 juin 2022 14:34
À : 'Sander Steffann' sander@steffann.nl
Cc : Ricardo Patara patara@registro.br; German Valdez Aviles german@apnic.net; procedures@aso.icann.org
Objet : RE: [ASO-PROCEDURES] ASO Procedures Review Mailing List Created and Members
Dear all,
As James suggested, could be good to have a first one hour meeting next week to launch our work, define global goals and then specific dedicated tasks.
German, could you set up a Doodle for that ? (thanks 😊)
My availabilities (UTC)
Tuesday (21st): from 7 AM to 4 PM
Wednesday: from 7 AM to 2 PM
Thursday: 7-8 AM
Friday: from 7 AM to 10 AM
Thanks 😊
Hervé
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De : Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nlmailto:sander@steffann.nl>
Envoyé : mercredi 15 juin 2022 11:00
À : CLEMENT Herve INNOV/NET <herve.clement@orange.commailto:herve.clement@orange.com>
Cc : Ricardo Patara <patara@registro.brmailto:patara@registro.br>; German Valdez Aviles <german@apnic.netmailto:german@apnic.net>; procedures@aso.icann.orgmailto:procedures@aso.icann.org
Objet : Re: [ASO-PROCEDURES] ASO Procedures Review Mailing List Created and Members
Hi all!
Just to let you know that I am following this! I'm just traveling too much and getting overloaded a bit, so I'm not responding very often. But: I'm here!
Cheers,
Sander
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Thanks German!
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Will start proposing a roadmap before the end of this week.
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Kind regards
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Ricardo Patara via Procedures Envoyé : mardi 14 juin 2022 14:47 À :
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thanks German!
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regards,
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On 14/06/22 00:44, German Valdez Aviles wrote:
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As suggested I created a section in the private page in the ASO wiki
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to start working in procedures review.
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Let me know if you’d like to start to populate the section with any
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You have edit privileges so should able as well to modify it
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*Date: *Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 11:55 pm
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Hi.
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Another topic.
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I think it should useful to have a section in the Wiki for this work. Right?
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If agreed, we can ask German to make that
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On 31/05/22 09:25, herve.clement@orange.commailto:herve.clement@orange.com wrote:
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Dear Ricardo, James,
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Thanks for your proposals.
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I tend to agree with you and a complete review would be useful.
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We can take the opportunity of this initiative energy to go as far as we can.
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And a remark: yes the quorum issue is solved; I've mentioned it to illustrate my powerpoint and present topics we've discussed.
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Tomorrow we can present this first list of topics and actions:
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review the discussion we had 2 years ago, or so, about some

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proposed reviews that didn't move forward (I will send to the group these discussions)  And more specifically:
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adjust the references in our procedures pointing to MoU. And

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also remove broken references for templates we never had
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add a discussion to review our selection process. Specifically

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regarding responsibilities of the AC and IC/QRC, timing and agenda
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I suspect that if we decide to deal with all these previous topics we'll have to redefine the structure of the text.
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List and review all activities individually and collectively

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(minimise overlaps)
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Do we propose to answer this last point for our July meeting ?
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Kind regards
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Ricardo Patara Envoyé : lundi 30 mai 2022 21:54 À :
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procedures@aso.icann.orgmailto:procedures@aso.icann.org Objet : Re: [ASO-PROCEDURES] ASO Procedures
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Hi Everyone. Hope you are all fine.
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I was thinking that we could start discussing a bit about our goals.
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Reading Hervé slides we have:
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From the above, I think the last one (quorum) is already solved, right?
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Fix pointers to updated documents as the ASO MoU and ICANN bylaws

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Cf. Kevin’s last year proposal related to procedures section 6
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I was reading this document from Kevin and the discussion we had back them.
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The proposed document tried to address the major "problems", i.e., adjust the references in our procedures pointing to MoU. And also remove broken references for templates we never had.
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But the discussions highlighted that the complete text in the procedure document was "bad". With grammar errors and sections being not very clear.
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The idea here would be a complete review and rewrite this section as whole.
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It think this is an important thing and would not demand considerable time from this group.
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To that, I would add a discussion to review our selection process.
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Specifically regarding responsibilities of the AC and IC/QRC, timing
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Hi,
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Thanks for creating this dedicated mailing list German, and for
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sharing the current procedures Herve.
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Couple of initial high-level thoughts\suggestions from my side:
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List and review all activities individually and collectively

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A goal for our review: simplify the procedures where possible,

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both process and documentation wise
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