Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13 Yes: 11 No: 1 Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
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11. Amendment of Operating Procedures These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
Thanks German, So I guess the question is why didn't everyone vote?
From: AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org On Behalf Of German Valdez Sent: Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 To: ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13 Yes: 11 No: 1 Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn't reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
11. Amendment of Operating Procedures These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
Bigger questions transparency wise.
- why are these anonymous? - what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Thanks German,
So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *German Valdez *Sent:* Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 *To:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13
Yes: 11
No: 1
Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
*11. Amendment of Operating Procedures*
These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise.
- why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Thanks German,
So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *German Valdez *Sent:* Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 *To:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13
Yes: 11
No: 1
Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
*11. Amendment of Operating Procedures*
These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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The e-vote was chosen for simplicity, with a one-week duration it should have given everyone ample time to vote.
I was disappointed, not in the vote itself, but the lack of voting. The procedures set an extremely high bar with 12/15 of ALL members required to vote affirmatively.
I’m not sure why anonymity is required for this vote, or if that has been the historical “norm”.
A good item for discussion.
Thanks,
Kevin
From: AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org On Behalf Of Aftab Siddiqui Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:12 AM To: Martin Hannigan hannigan@gmail.com Cc: ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise. - why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.zamailto:saul@enetworks.co.za> wrote: Thanks German, So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of German Valdez Sent: Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 To: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13 Yes: 11 No: 1 Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
11. Amendment of Operating Procedures These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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Hi
Perhaps those that didn’t vote could (even if its privately) say why you didn’t vote. If you are indifferent, there was the abstention option.
It is no good organising another vote if people aren’t going to vote again.
From: AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org On Behalf Of Kevin Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, 07 December 2021 10:19 To: Aftab Siddiqui aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com; Martin Hannigan hannigan@gmail.com Cc: ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
The e-vote was chosen for simplicity, with a one-week duration it should have given everyone ample time to vote.
I was disappointed, not in the vote itself, but the lack of voting. The procedures set an extremely high bar with 12/15 of ALL members required to vote affirmatively.
I’m not sure why anonymity is required for this vote, or if that has been the historical “norm”.
A good item for discussion.
Thanks,
Kevin
From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Aftab Siddiqui Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:12 AM To: Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.commailto:hannigan@gmail.com> Cc: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise. - why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.zamailto:saul@enetworks.co.za> wrote: Thanks German, So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of German Valdez Sent: Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 To: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13 Yes: 11 No: 1 Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
11. Amendment of Operating Procedures These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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We can vote via email now or have to wait for the next meeting (January 2022) to do a roll call vote.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 19:28, Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Hi
Perhaps those that didn’t vote could (even if its privately) say why you didn’t vote.
If you are indifferent, there was the abstention option.
It is no good organising another vote if people aren’t going to vote again.
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *Kevin Blumberg *Sent:* Tuesday, 07 December 2021 10:19 *To:* Aftab Siddiqui aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com; Martin Hannigan < hannigan@gmail.com> *Cc:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
The e-vote was chosen for simplicity, with a one-week duration it should have given everyone ample time to vote.
I was disappointed, not in the vote itself, but the lack of voting. The procedures set an extremely high bar with 12/15 of ALL members required to vote affirmatively.
I’m not sure why anonymity is required for this vote, or if that has been the historical “norm”.
A good item for discussion.
Thanks,
Kevin
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *Aftab Siddiqui *Sent:* Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:12 AM *To:* Martin Hannigan hannigan@gmail.com *Cc:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise.
- why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Thanks German,
So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *German Valdez *Sent:* Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 *To:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13
Yes: 11
No: 1
Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
*11. Amendment of Operating Procedures*
These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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Thank you. The electronic voting portion is indeed in the last part of the procedures document. However, the document is silent as to whether or not it can be anonymous. I would note that no vote for a procedural change has or should ever be taken in a “private” session or anonymously.
As far as whether or not we should reset the vote. I’d argue the answer should be no, that it has failed and as a matter of good housekeeping be discussed in a live session of the AC to ensure that if any voices need to be heard as to why they may have voted no (that was me), abstained or declined to vote that they be heard.
Was the secretariat instructed to make the vote private or was it just a innocent misconfiguration?
Warm regards,
-M<
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:21 AM Aftab Siddiqui aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com wrote:
We can vote via email now or have to wait for the next meeting (January 2022) to do a roll call vote.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 19:28, Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Hi
Perhaps those that didn’t vote could (even if its privately) say why you didn’t vote.
If you are indifferent, there was the abstention option.
It is no good organising another vote if people aren’t going to vote again.
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *Kevin Blumberg *Sent:* Tuesday, 07 December 2021 10:19 *To:* Aftab Siddiqui aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com; Martin Hannigan < hannigan@gmail.com> *Cc:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
The e-vote was chosen for simplicity, with a one-week duration it should have given everyone ample time to vote.
I was disappointed, not in the vote itself, but the lack of voting. The procedures set an extremely high bar with 12/15 of ALL members required to vote affirmatively.
I’m not sure why anonymity is required for this vote, or if that has been the historical “norm”.
A good item for discussion.
Thanks,
Kevin
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *Aftab Siddiqui *Sent:* Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:12 AM *To:* Martin Hannigan hannigan@gmail.com *Cc:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise.
- why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein saul@enetworks.co.za wrote:
Thanks German,
So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
*From:* AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org *On Behalf Of *German Valdez *Sent:* Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 *To:* ac-discuss@aso.icann.org *Subject:* [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13
Yes: 11
No: 1
Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
2ei7x YES
x27up YES
jh8df NO
a24ay YES
Regards
German Valdez
--
*11. Amendment of Operating Procedures*
These Operating Procedures may be amended at any regular or special meeting of the council or through an electronic vote. The proposed amendment must receive four-fifths majority support of all members of the Address Council whether at a council meeting or via an electronic vote. Electronic votes will be a minimum of 7 days, but can be concluded as soon as all members of the Address Council register a vote. All amendments to these Operating Procedures shall be approved by the Executive Council of the Number Resource Organization. Proposed amended text must be available for discussion on email for seven days prior to the start of a vote unless all Address Council members are available for a discussion of the amendment.
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Hi Martin, all,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. No specific instructions had been given to the secretariat to make the vote private. We’ve just decided collectively to use the electronic vote system and give time (one week) for the members to vote, and I would say the “by default” way to use it is anonymous.
We’ll perhaps have to discuss one more time these Section 6 procedures changes during our next meeting (along with a more complete operational procedure update plan). That will be the opportunity to (re)clarify the reason of a negative (and a positive as well 😉 ) vote and decide another vote regarding these specific modifications.
Best regards
Hervé
De : AC-DISCUSS ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org De la part de Martin Hannigan Envoyé : mercredi 8 décembre 2021 03:05 À : Aftab Siddiqui aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com Cc : ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Objet : Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Thank you. The electronic voting portion is indeed in the last part of the procedures document. However, the document is silent as to whether or not it can be anonymous. I would note that no vote for a procedural change has or should ever be taken in a “private” session or anonymously.
As far as whether or not we should reset the vote. I’d argue the answer should be no, that it has failed and as a matter of good housekeeping be discussed in a live session of the AC to ensure that if any voices need to be heard as to why they may have voted no (that was me), abstained or declined to vote that they be heard.
Was the secretariat instructed to make the vote private or was it just a innocent misconfiguration?
Warm regards,
-M<
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:21 AM Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.commailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> wrote: We can vote via email now or have to wait for the next meeting (January 2022) to do a roll call vote.
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 19:28, Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.zamailto:saul@enetworks.co.za> wrote: Hi
Perhaps those that didn’t vote could (even if its privately) say why you didn’t vote. If you are indifferent, there was the abstention option.
It is no good organising another vote if people aren’t going to vote again.
Orange Restricted From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Kevin Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, 07 December 2021 10:19 To: Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.commailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com>; Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.commailto:hannigan@gmail.com> Cc: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
The e-vote was chosen for simplicity, with a one-week duration it should have given everyone ample time to vote.
I was disappointed, not in the vote itself, but the lack of voting. The procedures set an extremely high bar with 12/15 of ALL members required to vote affirmatively.
I’m not sure why anonymity is required for this vote, or if that has been the historical “norm”.
A good item for discussion.
Thanks,
Kevin
From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Aftab Siddiqui Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:12 AM To: Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.commailto:hannigan@gmail.com> Cc: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: Re: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Hi Martin,
Bigger questions transparency wise. - why are these anonymous?
Valid point, there is no reason for them to be anonymous but it doesn't restrict them from making it as well. Chairs can make the call.
- what procedure allows for procedure changes by electronic vote?
You can have elections via show of hands during in-person meeting, attendance/roll-call vote during online meeting or evote as well. All 3 are available options to change the operating procedures. You just need 80% majority i.e. 12 votes in favor of the change to make it happen.
Thanks all,
-M<
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:38 Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.zamailto:saul@enetworks.co.za> wrote: Thanks German, So I guess the question is why didn’t everyone vote?
From: AC-DISCUSS <ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss-bounces@aso.icann.org> On Behalf Of German Valdez Sent: Saturday, 04 December 2021 10:15 To: ac-discuss@aso.icann.orgmailto:ac-discuss@aso.icann.org Subject: [AC-DISCUSS] Results ASO Procedures Changes Section 6
Dear ASO AC
Here are the results of the voting to change section 6 of the ASO Procedures.
Summary:
Votes casted: 13 Yes: 11 No: 1 Abstention:1
According to ASO Procedures Section 11 Amendment of Operating Procedures, the changes proposal of section 6 didn’t reach the required support of fourth-fifths of all members of this Council.
Below are the relation of tokens and votes.
prwnc YES
k5hsx ABS
m42yq YES
ydjxi YES
by5u6 YES
797ez YES
h99s5 YES
z577h YES
2shkp YES
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Saul Stein